B.M.A.D. IPN...
Your “Buy Me A Drink” WSO's On AUTOPILOT

Source: The Warrior Forum
Topic URL: http://www.WarriorForum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102102

Topic:

Topic author: hoperenee
Subject: B.M.A.D.+IPN=Your Buy Me a Drink WSO's on Steroids
Posted on: 08/18/2006 04:53:07
Message:

The ONLY Automated Delivery System for Your "Buy Me a Drink" WSO's which lets you....

• Enjoy ALL the benefits of having "Buy Me a Drink" style WSO's and...
• Avoid the delivery headaches or needing to be tied to your computer!

That's the idea behind "B.M.A.D. the IPN" for Your "Buy Me a Drink" WSO's. It gives you flexibility. It gives you options. It frees up your time. And it will keep your Warrior customers happy. Because you won't need to be anywhere near your internet connection for your customers' orders to get delivered while you're off taking care of other things.

One of the really cool benefits? You decide if you want your WSO to be delivered either INSTANTLY -or- on a TIMED DELAY.

Remember those old commercials "Is it Live, or is it Memorex"? Well now they can wonder "Is it Manual, or is it Automated"? (Nobody needs to know if you want to keep it your little secret )

Take a look at some screenshots to get an idea how this works.

It does its thing by using PayPal's IPN system. So nobody can cheat and grab your stuff for a penny or any other price besides the price you set.

What if you already have a PayPal IPN script in place to handle your website's orders?

• No problem! As long as your current IPN handler is a PHP script... they will peacefully co-exist! I've designed this so anything else besides a "Warrior - Buy Me a Drink" transaction gets passed back to your current IPN handler if you have one.

• Again... No problem! This handles multiple WSO's easily. All you need to do is give each current WSO a unique price.

See? I told you this was a flexible solution

Hey, I'm just helping you have your cake AND eat it too. That's why if you're even thinking of offering a WSO anytime in the future, you'll want to grab this today for just $20. Use the cute little Beer Mug icon at the top of this post to Buy Me a Drink. Before I come to my senses and raise the price to what you and I both know this is really worth.

Toodles!
- Hope

Replies:

Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/18/2006 06:14:39
Message:

Hi Hope,

So if I currently have my IPN URL set for JV Manager would I have to change it to point to your script instead because your script will automatically forward any non-WSO notifications?

Thanks

Reply author: RichardWing
Replied on: 08/18/2006 07:47:20
Message:

Im guessing here... The answer is no....

The programmers that know what they are doing do not make their script dependant on making that setting at paypal.

That went out years ago when paypal added the variable notify_url into the api button code....

Not taking advantage of that simple variable in the scripting code is simply inconvienient and not considerate of webmasters who use more than one solution with paypal.

I know Hope and I know she is on top of things...

I bet you won't have to make any settings at paypal except to make sure that you have the notification turned on at paypal.

Again this is all a guess. :)

We will see if I am right.

You touched on a sore subject with me because there are many nice scripts out there and the programmers require that you configure your paypal setting to their script.

Bad, Bad, Bad...

Great script idea Hope. Some nice features!

Richard Wing

Reply author: nebulousx
Replied on: 08/18/2006 07:54:52
Message:

Richard,

There is no other way in the world to do it. Hope doesn't have access to the buy me a beer button code so there is no way to put the notify_url in there. You HAVE to add the notify url at paypal. This doesn't mean it will mess up any current buy buttons you own because if a button specifies a notify_url, it will override the settings at paypal.

If you are currently using the notify_url at paypal, I don't think this script, or any similar script such as the other one being sold, will work as is.

Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/18/2006 08:20:23
Message:

From what Hope has written in her offer, it would suggest that the script will take over the PayPal IPN URL, but will forward any non-WSO notifications.

I'm after confirmation that my interpretation is correct.

See the bit in the offer that says,

"What if you already have a PayPal IPN script in place to handle your website's orders?"

Reply author: seasoned
Replied on: 08/18/2006 09:10:54
Message:

everyone,

nebulousx is RIGHT! I was going to say that MYSELF! Paypal can NEVER know what to do until TOLD! This forum doesn't have such a command, and many similar forums don't. So that means it is a ****FAULT****, or error condition. Paypal thought of that, and put in a DEfault. Scripts YOU control that need a return, such as carts, should tell paypal what to do. I'm guessing hope has a routine that can be set to rebuild the URL, and pass it on to a script it is told to do that with. Unfortunately, that can't REALLY be done with paypals code but, luckily, most people forget or don't bother to include those checks(Most check the data, and MAYBE the callback, and that is IT), so it is PROBABLY ok.

Steve

Reply author: n/a
Replied on: 08/18/2006 10:04:21
Message:

I was going to purchase...BUT now I'm confused. To much Tech Talk from the more experienced warriors that's over my head.

Sorry Hope, I'm not that experienced yet.

Max

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/18/2006 10:54:24
Message:

Will -

Assuming JV Manager (or any other IPN script anyone is using) is not encrypted and you have the ability to add one line of code to it... then No, you would Not need to change your PayPal Notification URL. If JV Manager is encrypted, then Yes, you would need to change your PayPal Notification URL to my script.

It really can work either way. (I'll just need a little bit to add that 'workaround' to the install docs :) Reason.... I designed this keeping in mind that folks don't really like changing their existing PayPal IPN Notification URL's.... because they generally TRUST the ipn script they're already using. However, as I pointed out, it CAN work either way. Without any real hassle even.

Richard -

Thanks for your kind words! Sorry though.... Bruce (nebulousx) and Steve are correct in their assessments and statements.

Max -

Don't let the "Tech Talk" scare you off. This really is simple to install. You do NOT need to know about all the tech stuff being discussed here. And besides, anyone here who knows me will vouch for the fact that I'm always only one email away. You have a question, problem, need help, etc... You email me. And I'm generally back to you within a few hours at most. It's that simple.

Thanks guys!
- Hope

Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/18/2006 11:28:56
Message:

Ah, hang on, I wouldn't be able to use it because JVM is a Perl script. Nuts! :(

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/18/2006 11:40:48
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by IMFool

Ah, hang on, I wouldn't be able to use it because JVM is a Perl script. Nuts! :(

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I was thinking about how to integrate with non-PHP scripts. And I *think* I have a solution! Check back here. Because I should have a definite answer on that by tomorrow

- Hope

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/18/2006 12:33:43
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by hoperenee

...(or any other IPN script anyone is using) is not encrypted and you have the ability to add one line of code to it... then No, you would Not need to change your PayPal Notification URL. If ...is encrypted, then Yes, you would need to change your PayPal Notification URL to my script.

It really can work either way. (I'll just need a little bit to add that 'workaround' to the install docs :) Reason.... I designed this keeping in mind that folks don't really like changing their existing PayPal IPN Notification URL's.... because they generally TRUST the ipn script they're already using. However, as I pointed out, it CAN work either way.

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Okay guys - I've made a small update to the script plus updated the documentation so working either way is no problem whatsoever.

This update has also been mailed to those of you who've already purchased. Now that didn't take long, did it?

Stay tuned until tomorrow to see if I can work out
integrating with "non-PHP ipn's" as well.

- Hope

Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/18/2006 15:09:00
Message:

Hope,

My apologies, I was leading you astray. JVM requires the return url to be set and not the IPN URL.

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/19/2006 04:44:18
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by IMFool

Hope,

My apologies, I was leading you astray. JVM requires the return url to be set and not the IPN URL.

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• You don't already have any PayPal IPN set,
  or...
• You DO already have a PayPal IPN set and that IPN URL points to a PHP script.

I hope that helps clear up any remaining confusion.

Next.... I mentioned in a previous post that in addition to the existing "peaceful coexistence" feature of integration with existing PHP IPN's.... I was also going to look into the possibility of enabling integration with non-PHP IPN URL's. e.g. Perl scripts. Well, here's my final answer on that.....

No. I'm not going to get into that. Simply because then I'd likely end up with questions like "Can this be integrated with my Python, Cold Fusion, ASP, etc. IPN script?"

Sorry, but I simply prefer not to open that can of worms. B.M.A.D. IPN was designed to be and do a few specific things. All based on the K.I.S.S. principle of keeping it flexible yet SIMPLE.

Thus anyone with remaining IPN-related integration questions should refer to my two "B.M.A.D. IPN will work for you if..." bullet points above.

Lastly, I must say that B.M.A.D IPN has been handling delivery of this WSO and has been working like a charm! It's also given me a few more ideas for add-on features which will come in handy and simplify my life (and yours) even more. So.... of course I'm adding them in

If you've already bought me a drink for this WSO, you'll automatically receive an update with these new features. What are these new feature I bet you're wondering? That's my little secret for the moment. I'll fill you in on the details after they're tested and ready for release later today (no need for me to give Plank a head's up before then )

Toodles!
- Hope

Reply author: R Hagel
Replied on: 08/19/2006 09:05:35
Message:

*rubs eyes and blinks* I don't think I've ever seen anyone list a competing WSO in their sig line.

OK Hope, I'm in. I don't usually run buy me a beer WSO's because I hate the idea of being tied to my computer for a week. Yours and Robert's product solves that.

However, what clinches it for me is the time delay feature on your program. I figure once customers realize that people are running their BMABeer WSO's with scripts, the social proof aspect is gone. It just takes one person to comment in the WSO that the delivery is automated, and suddenly people realize they no longer have to reply to the thread with "bought you a cold one" (because they don't need that extra confirmation to ensure delivery).

A short and variable time delay ensures instant gratification for the customer, and yet he/she doesn't know it's automated.

That's my thought process on this. If you had other ideas for that time delay, let me know. I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee so all cells might not be firing yet.

Thanks Hope!

Cheers,
Rebecca "Becky" Hagel

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/19/2006 12:42:43
Message:

Hi R.B. -

Yes, you hit the nail right on the head.

quote:

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OK Hope, I'm in. I don't usually run buy me a beer WSO's because I hate the idea of being tied to my computer for a week. Yours and Robert's product solves that.

However, what clinches it for me is the time delay feature on your program. I figure once customers realize that people are running their BMABeer WSO's with scripts, the social proof aspect is gone. It just takes one person to comment in the WSO that the delivery is automated, and suddenly people realize they no longer have to reply to the thread with "bought you a cold one" (because they don't need that extra confirmation to ensure delivery).

A short and variable time delay ensures instant gratification for the customer, and yet he/she doesn't know it's automated.

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• Retain ALL the benefits of having Buy Me a Drink wso's
• Avoid the delivery headaches or needing to be tied to your computer.

Now, back to my regularly scheduled programming
to finish up those new features I hinted about earlier....

- Hope

P.S.: Thanks for being the only purchaser so far who's been "brave" enough to post here and risk "outting" yourself for future wso's you intend to use this system for! :) That's why I've quoted your comments *without* attribution.... so you can delete your post later if you want to, and keep your wso delivery system our little secret

Reply author: Tyler
Replied on: 08/19/2006 15:22:42
Message:

Hope,
Do you include some easy install instructions? I have never had the occasion to use Paypal's IPN system. This is the perfect opportunity to learn.

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/19/2006 15:37:10
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tyler

Hope,
Do you include some easy install instructions? I have never had the occasion to use Paypal's IPN system. This is the perfect opportunity to learn.

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Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/19/2006 21:13:03
Message:

You have more beer money!

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/19/2006 21:56:11
Message:

Thanks W!

And I hope my answers to your PM questions were clear and helped you out?
Anything else you need, don't hesitate to ask.

- Hope

Reply author: IMFool
Replied on: 08/20/2006 05:03:29
Message:

Very helpful, thank you :)

Reply author: kcengel
Replied on: 08/20/2006 17:12:24
Message:

This is bloody awesome, Hope!

I'm a fan of Robert's scripts and I purchased his Beersensor script to begin with. Then I came back a day or two later and saw yours... methinks I might have a welt from banging my head on the wall!

I like what you've done with your script, based on the screenshots and posts you've made.

I am a complete nut about web scripts. I had even considered coding up a web interface complete with SQL database for Robert's script since I kinda wanted that anyways.

And then there was your script... hehe It's really good to see another Warrior coder chick on the forum.

Take care and I hope your WSO continues to do well! ;)

Reply author: turboreferer
Replied on: 08/20/2006 18:56:38
Message:

FYI

JVManager can work fine even if you define in Paypal's IPN slot
any URL you want for as long the "Return URL" in your Paypal
account points to the server where JVM is installed.

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/20/2006 21:41:09
Message:

Hi K -

quote:

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This is bloody awesome, Hope!

I'm a fan of Robert's scripts and I purchased his Beersensor script to begin with. Then I came back a day or two later and saw yours... methinks I might have a welt from banging my head on the wall!

I like what you've done with your script, based on the screenshots and posts you've made.

I am a complete nut about web scripts. I had even considered coding up a web interface complete with SQL database for Robert's script since I kinda wanted that anyways.

And then there was your script... hehe It's really good to see another Warrior coder chick on the forum.

Take care and I hope your WSO continues to do well! ;)

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I'm uh.... well...... SPEECHLESS!
THANKS so much! And if you need anything, like maybe aspirin? Or cold compress? Just holler! ...Heck, that's the least I can do for you after an endorsement like that!

(plus, as done above for "R.B.", I've quoted your comments *without* attribution also.... so if you ever want to delete your post in the future to keep your wso delivery system our little secret, no prob )

quote:

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Originally posted by turboreferer

FYI

JVManager can work fine even if you define in Paypal's IPN slot
any URL you want for as long the "Return URL" in your Paypal
account points to the server where JVM is installed.

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Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/21/2006 15:22:40
Message:

Hi again all you wonderful Warriors,

This morning the big Update went out. If for any reason you didn't receive it, let me know! Since I'm rather sleep deprived at the moment, I'm gonna be lazy and just post a copy here of what went out today.... For the benefit of anyone who either for some reason didn't receive it, or who hasn't gotten off the stick and bought me a drink to get their copy yet :o)....

quote:

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As promised (although a day later than expected), the Updated version
of your "B.M.A.D. IPN" is here! One small bug squashed, and several
Brand Spankin' New Features added!

First, sorry about the bug... If your "Buy Me a Drink" PayPal address
was not your Primary PP addr, the system was not liking it. Was an
oversight on a line of code which got mistakenly overwritten. All
fixed. Now, on to your **NEW** features......

The first new feature is the ability to send email updates out to your
WSO customers. In fact, you're receiving this update using that new
feature! Why force people to join yet another mailing list just to get
product updates?

Next new feature is... Sales Stats! Yes, from one window you'll see a
summary of all your WSO sales action. Click on any WSO Title, and
drill-down to Sales Details for any of your WSO's. And btw, below the
sales details is where you'll find the button to "Send an Email to
this WSO's Customers".... You'll be able to specify an email Subject,
your Message, plus of course add file attachments.

A handy feature is sending a "Test Email" to yourself first to make
sure it's correct. In fact, you have to! The system will not offer you
the option of sending to "ALL" without sending that test first. Once
you're happy with your email, then one click later..... Done.
Everybody updated.

The last new feature for the moment is a "Mail Sent Log". Just in case
you're the curious type who enjoys knowing exactly to whom and exactly
when all B.M.A.D. IPN emails went out (including the ones you initiate
through the "Email All WSO Customers" function).

Well, I think that covers the new features added in so far. FYI: There
is another one coming in a day or so. Suggested by a customer. And
you're sure to love it!

So let's get on with how to INSTALL your attached update.... Unzip.
Then upload all files to the same directory you installed all your
other B.M.A.D. IPN files. Then......

There's ONE file you must CHMOD to 0666: "[edited out]"

And you're done! Plus, don't worry, no data will be overwritten during
this update.

Sorry there's no screenshots posted yet for a fast visual of all your
nifty new features. But I've been up for more than 24-hours straight
getting them finished and tested for you. Now...... I must get *some*
sleep :o)

As always, any questions or suggestions -- just hit your "Reply"
button and shoot me an email. Also, any comments you'd care to share
at http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102102 would
be great to see as well!

Best,
- Hope


P.S.: As you can see below, you can even choose to insert your WSO
Customers' order information into your email updates.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WSO Order Date: 2006-08-19 10:36:30 EDT
Transaction#: xxxxd out
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Reply author: lochshire
Replied on: 08/21/2006 22:16:43
Message:

I don't buy many WSO's lately, but you got a beer Hope.

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/22/2006 12:57:18
Message:

Hi Becky -

quote:

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Originally posted by R Hagel

*rubs eyes and blinks* I don't think I've ever seen anyone list a competing WSO in their sig line.

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quote:

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Yes, you can automate your "Buy Me a Drink" WSO's
Plank's BEERSENSOR vs Hope's "B.M.A.D. the IPN"
($10) It's good to have options! ($20)

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Yes, well.... I just can't believe he was rude enough not to reciprocate!
....hmmmm. (hey Robert, just kidding! )

But seriously, since this is a marketing forum..... that's one way to handle the situation which arises every so often .....of two people launching a competing product at the exact same time. In this case, it was literally within hours of each other.

Here's the story behind it....
Someone in the main discussion area was kidding around about how handy an automated delivery system would be for those super hot "Buy Me a Drink" wso's..... Robert mentioned he'd been thinking about offering something like that.... I mentioned I was just finishing up a solution that would be ready shortly, and posted a link to my system's screenshots.....

Robert posted his wso a few hours later that evening.... I posted mine in the wee hours later that night.... And since I certainly didn't want to look like a "johnny come lately".... I figured a 'direct frontal attack' was just my best option. Especially since the two products do greatly differ in both our vision of how they should work, and what they should do.

That's the story behind the sig.

quote:

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I don't buy many WSO's lately, but you got a beer Hope.

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Hi Johnny -

Hey, I'm honored then - Thanks!!
And I hope the 15-minute 24-second delivery delay wasn't tooooo long a wait?

- Hope

Reply author: researchowl
Replied on: 08/29/2006 05:37:04
Message:

I got brought B.M.A.D. the IPN in the last few days and followed the very clear instructions in setting up and to my amazement and suprise it all worked fine first time around(I say this because technology usually hates me!)

It has come in very useful for my WSO as I don't have to be tied to my computer and worry that people won't get their orders while I sleep.

But I have to logon anyway most of my waking hours just to see how the sales are going anyway and hit the send button if I see any pending emails!

Makes delivery a breath of fresh air and lot of people happy as they get their ordered report within half an hour.

Thank you I will make good use of this product.

Helen

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/29/2006 08:51:22
Message:

Hi Helen,

quote:

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I got brought B.M.A.D. the IPN in the last few days and followed the very clear instructions in setting up and to my amazement and suprise it all worked fine first time around(I say this because technology usually hates me!)

It has come in very useful for my WSO as I don't have to be tied to my computer and worry that people won't get their orders while I sleep.

But I have to logon anyway most of my waking hours just to see how the sales are going anyway and hit the send button if I see any pending emails!

Makes delivery a breath of fresh air and lot of people happy as they get their ordered report within half an hour.

Thank you I will make good use of this product.

Helen

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I'm so glad everything went smoothly for setup and during your wso! Especially as you say "technology usually hates you" . And thanks so much for sharing your first wso experience with it, with us.

- Hope

Reply author: darrinmcl
Replied on: 08/29/2006 12:48:19
Message:

OK... Not to give away the farm here, but I am getting ready to run my very first WSO and this will certainly help in that effort.
Beer money on the way.

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 08/29/2006 13:28:23
Message:

quote:

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OK... Not to give away the farm here, but I am getting ready to run my very first WSO and this will certainly help in that effort.
Beer money on the way.

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Thanks DM - Quoted you anonymously like the others
Gee, maybe I need to get an independent 3rd party in here to verify the validity of comments quoted without attribution, before you all decide to start deleting your posts to protect our little secret .

Best of luck with your WSO!

- Hope

Reply author: hoperenee
Replied on: 09/03/2006 12:10:02
Message:

Hello all,

It appears my servers decided to take some time off this weekend, so as of this Sunday morning Sept. 3, I have no server access and no email access :(

Therefore, anybody "Buying me a Beer" while my server is still down won't be getting any auto-delivery email. Normally, you'd receive your order within about 15-minutes, that's how I have this configured at the present time. So if you order, and after 15-minutes have nothing..... Please PM me with your PayPal name and PayPal email address so I can manually deliver to you from one of my alternate email accounts.

Ditto for any support questions you may have. PM me.

Also, please note that the latest script update is taking longer than expected because I've received so many wonderful new feature requests from you guys! Most of which I am busy adding in. So rather than bombard you with updates every few days piece by piece.... I'm holding off until ALL the new features are done and tested.

Toodles!
- Hope

Reply author: ebook7
Replied on: 09/08/2006 19:35:57
Message:

Beer sent. I'm looking forward to use the script not only at WF, but also at my sites if possible :)

Reply author: kcengel
Replied on: 09/11/2006 00:32:57
Message:

Used this for the first time just a couple of days ago and it worked BEE-autifully! ;) Thanks, Hope!

Reply author: darrinmcl
Replied on: 09/14/2006 18:01:17
Message:

Worked perfectly for me as well. Thanks again Hope.

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